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I've been considering buying an air gun, since it's almost impossible to get a real gun legally where I am. The problem is that at least the one I've been looking at, can't be stored with CO2 cartridge in it, it has to be removed. Sort of defeats the purpose since I'd like to keep it handy at all times in case of home invasion. Does anybody know why they recommend storing it with CO2 cartridge removed? Would it damage the gun or what?

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Most air gun will lose pressure when a CO2 'powlet' is stored in them. Also, the constant pressure on the seals can't be good IMO.

You could always get one of the pump air guns (very powerful when you buy the right ones BTW) and they don't require the CO2.... once again you have the issue of all the pressure built up for so long and also the strain of having the weapon cocked.

Air guns are not my thing, hopefully someone here will be able to give you a definative answer.

If you are looking for something for home defense like that (don't laugh) a good wrist rocket will put a much more serious hurting on someone at indoor ranges. Hit them in the head and a concussion is likely, aside from putting out an eye, breaking a nose or crushing a windpipe.

Also, and I say this in all honesty and it's what I would do if I lived in a country that outlawed guns I'd consider...

An actual katana. razor sharp.
A chainsaw. Just think about a home invaderer hear the sound of that bad boy fire up... he might die of a heart attack if nothing else.
A spear (home made if you have to and if swords and chainsaws are off teh list) a Sharp pointed spear will screw someone up. Nice stand off distance too.
Bear sized mace cansiters. Beware spraying that crap indoors, your gonna get some too indoors or if you are outside and downwind.

Use you mind and come up with some stuff... IMO the air rifle would be more likely to cause them to die of lead poisoning in a few weeks vs RFN.

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I've been looking at pump air guns for squirrel and squab if TSHTF. Cheap ammo, legal to discharge in the city limits, quiet. Which do you think are good? (I have not had one since I was a kid.)

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Imho,
Your home security should contain several differant tools, becouse just like there isn't any one magic firearm for all situations, they aren't magic wands that make the bad guy go away.
As batman once said "criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot", add to that they are lazy and more than likely fairly uneducated.
My home security plans go somthing like this:
1) Anyone whom may wish to do me harm or deprive me of my personel property is going to have to do some work. It is a long, long way from the road to the front door. with the system I have in place it would be very difficult to get from the property line to my front door without my knowing your intentions for being there in the first place! While you may not have that option depending on your situation (urban, or subdivision), the idea is to make the the bad guy do some work.
2) assuming that the perp has made my front, back, side door or windows he will not be granted an easy access. Steel entry doors are a good start but not enough. The door casing should also be made of steel and I have installed 1/2 thick boiler plate 3 feet on either side of the doors and windows. might sound like overkill but the Idea is that if you want in and I don't want you in your going to have to work. Very hard!
remember that for the classic home invasion situation to succeed the perp needs to gain access without your knowing they're (perps) intentions. This puts you behind the "curve" and it is unlikely that you will get back ahead. once they crash through the door you are reacting to them! This ain't a good plan
3) By all means have a good supply of chemical countermeasures. Mace (a brand name), and Sabre Red are in my inventory for pepper spray's and are very effective, evan on druggies. three rules here. If they can't stand, they can't fight. If they can't breath, they can't fight. If they can't see they can't fight. Use your imagination, and let yourself turn to the dark side! The basic ingrediant in these products is cuyan (maybe misspelled) peppers, a readily available food product so make own homeade product if none are legally available in your area. Hair Spray, mouthwash in a spray bottle, WD40, etc.,etc. Your greatest weapon is your ability to improvise, adapt and overcome.
4) Pyrotechnics, sounds, smells and improvised weapons are all in the arsonal. Ditto's for the chainsaw!!! I have a recording of screams, automatic weapons firing,sirens, cops shouting there spiel, jets landing etc. that will play VERY loudly either on my cue or automatically once there is a security breach. Buy that I mean at around 140 decibels! The idea is to confuse the situation and force the perp to react to you rather than you react to them.

Hope this helps. Good luck and good hunting!

DBD

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Most airgun rifles are just garbage. If you're going to get something decent, plan to spend $200+, and get a wooden stock. The plastic stocks rattle, depolymerize, crack and just look plastic. Beeman and Winchestor offer very nice versions of a long barrel sniper style single shot pellet gun - surprisingly accurate, surprisingly powerful, easy to operate, and hard to distinguish from a rifle up close AND at a distance. (Most of the parts are the same.) Study the instructions, and don't shoot near pets, or risk a world of trouble.

Example: http://www.beeman.com/gold-gh950.htm.

It's frustrating to load and cock one shot at a time, but you won't need more than one shot after a little practice. Multi-shot pellet rifles just don't work. One type claims the title 'semi-automatic' by screwing a large CO2canister on the front. It's clunky, stupid looking, and hilariously badly balanced.

Pistol airguns are harder to distinguish from plastic body glocks etc., so be very careful carrying one in public. Grosman pretty much sets the standard for air pistols, IMO. You can leave the CO2 canisters in, but they do weaken the seal faster. You'll know the gun is dead when a new canister shoots CO2 out the sides without firing a shot. None last more than a few dozen canisters. I'm pretty sure they come close to 495 ft/sec with a new canister, but the velocity drops sharply after 3 or 4 shots.

All of the models make some kind of a bang. There are no 'silent' pellet guns, to the best of my knowledge. I wouldn't want kids in my neighborhood to have something that could fire in silence.

Some good ideas on this thread. I'm more convinced of the need for this kind of thinking as time goes on.

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Thanks for the air rifle info. I meant no 'that was a gunshot' explosive boom. ;) We have a LOT of tree rats. I hope I never need them for meat, but if I did, I think a good air rifle is the way to go. I'm not excited about eating pigeons either, but they are abundant. Though they might not be for long.

I thought some of the better air rifles would do the job well, and some were likely junk. Are there pump vs break action general differences in quality or is a good one of either good?

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Break barrel has much less time between shots. Pump action requires 6-8 pumps to generate enough pressure to do more than annoy a squirrel. All that pumping takes time away from your target, makes noise, and tires your arms. You can also catch a finger or have the pump piece snap back with some models.

Most retailers understand the need to experiment with different styles. Try a couple and decide what you like.

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Get a good wooden baseball bat and a machete. Check out this place for some knives that will terrify a home invader.
http://www.khukurihouseonline.com/
If you can't have a firearm, you've got to be brutal. :bash:

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If your Local Leaders allow home invasion but forbid possessing a "real gun" you should move.
:Sorry:

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I own a Gammo Silver Shadow, stainless pellet rifle. Around $200.00 on sale. It came with one of those red dot scopes, which I hated, so I put a regular scope on it. I got so tired of the woodpeckers pecking on the side of my house (nice holes all the way up the exterior trim). Needless to say, I have all but decimated the pecker head population here. They finally got smart, every time I go out on my back deck now, they're gone! It is a break barrel design, 1000 fps. Nice gun!

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I was surprised, I loaded up to shoot at one, and he flew away, into the top of a Ponderosa Pine tree. It was about 200 feet away. Since I had to get rid of the pellet anyway, I lined up on the pecker head, raised it up a couple inches, and fired. Damn if I didn't nail the sucker! It was a lucky shot, but the pellet still had enough juice to get the job done!

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I have an RWS Diana 34 .177 rifle and as a kid had Benjamin .22 rifle and pistol.

The Diana shoots a pellet at over 1000fps and is superbly accurate, without a scope. I have about 5000 pellets for this rifle.

Be sure you purchase a BRAND NEW one, and I would buy mail order, to be sure no one has "dry fired" the gun. Dry firing ruins the washer that makes the seal.

We also have a Daisy BB gun and slingshot, archery eqpt etc.

Pellet gun is a good idea for pest/rodent control.

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Maybe I'll just set up one of these potato shooters
Would scare the crap out of the enemy

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I just obtained two pump air guns for free!!!!!!! Love them.....silent.....cheap to shoot.............and as effective as a 22 short.

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I've considered this one before. 22 cal.

Not cheap, IIRC it was around $500 bucks and the Pump was another 199ish. THat was a few yrs ago. If you can't have the real thing, You might as well get the Best substitution you can find


A quick look: the Air Force Talon SS
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...09351848/print

http://www.straightshooters.com/talon/talonss.jpg

http://www.straightshooters.com/talon/talon.html

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There are some pre-charged pneumatic "super magnum" type air rifles available in the States. Imported from Korea, I think, (Daystate?). One is 9mm and another is a .45 caliber.

Other options to consider: crossbow, black powder firearms. The black powder revolver is usually sold without the red tape associated with regular pistols, and it can still do the job! They worked in the civil war! You can mail order them, and they have 6 shots, and no registration.

As far as air damaging the seals, full house charges can cause damage, but low charges help to preserve the seals. I used to keep a Sheridan 5mm rifle handy for pigeons, and could drop them with one shot. Lasted 15 years so far, and it always keeps 2 pumps during storage.

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I regularly shoot a precision Feinwerkbau Model 65 air pistol and a Feinwerkbau 300S air rifle to keep my shooting skills up. Both are precision barreled "spring-piston" types and require no CO2 or pumping. They cock a piston with a single stroke of a cocking lever,........and compress a stream of air at the moment of firing. Both have an anti-recoil system which makes for almost no recoil,.........and will puch a single ragged hole within their intended 10 meter range.

Being single shots and lacking suffecient pellet weight to stop a possible armed intruder,......i would not consider either as a home defense weopon, however. But great for home practice and possibly pest elimination if ranges are kept short.

I've liked this pistol so much i once owned 8 of them (down to 3 now as i've sold a few and given one to my son),......and a few years ago i even started a yahoo group for Feinwerkbau Model 65 airpistol users, of which i am one of the biggest fans of the workmanship and quality of these pistols! Here is the link for anyone interested for the FWB Model 65 pistol:

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group...el_65_Airguns/

For fans of the Feinwerkbau 300S rifle here is the link to a group st up by someone else:

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/FWB300airguns/

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I did not know what a "Wrist Rocket" is, so I googled it, and found this site

"Hit them in the head and a concussion is likely, aside from putting out an eye, breaking a nose or crushing a windpipe." all this aside there must be a more effective home defence tools available where you are.

Wrist Rocket

http://www.sextoys.co.uk/modules/ima...ist_rocket.jpg

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These are illegal here as well (slingshots, not vibrators). The police dept. recommends that you don't put up resistance in case of home invasion, so there is no need to legalize them.

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Demosphen, could you please tell us which country you are living in so we can come and rob you all blind please?

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Maybe you can get one of them tasers that shoot them little hooks into someone and every time you pull the tigger it sends an electric shock into them.

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NYC. I know that sling shots are illegal because I tried ordering one. I don't know if I am the one you want to rob though - I carry a little something in my backpocket to defend myself and am nearly always home

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http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/sh...heridan&Type=1

Here is a company that sells the Benjamin/Sheridan air rifles. Here are ten choices, both pump and break barrel. Pump is 800 fps and break barrel is 1000 fps.

I own a pump rifle myself. FAIRLY quiet, though by NO MEANS silent. When the round you are firing EXCEEDS the sound barrier, you will get the 'crack'.

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/sh...heridan&Type=0

Here are four Benjamin/Sheridan pistols. Both pump and CO2.

Oh, and you want a great LEGAL EVERYWHERE (yes, even in ENGLAND) 'Equalizer'? Try finding an ABC fire extinguisher. If you hit the assailant in the face, I'm fairly confident that you will no longer be his first priority. Being able to breath AND see become his first priority. And it makes a WICKED club once you empty it. WHICH you should do on the perp. Then SMACK upside the head and down he goes. Blind, gasping for breath and PROBABLY a really big lump that may or may not be bleeding.

And when asked WHY you used it, the answer is, "Honest officer, I keep on by my bed because I'm deathly afraid of fire. It was the first thing I grabbed."

I doubt anyone will give you greif over that answer. Even if you live in England.

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Wow! People still actually live in NYC? lol

I think (you'll need to check the actual ordinances, etc.) blackpowder items might still be legal there, and, of course, normal rifles (like a lever action, etc.) aren't actually banned are they?

I'd follow the previous poster's advice and move...

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AFAIK nothing is banned, technically. It just takes quite a bit of effort and you'll probably end up with a useless target shooting permit
I'd like to move, but it won't be until price of silver is up there

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Ive been wanting to get one, I found this , Its my best pick so far.

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c..._1892_48882648http://www.airgundepot.com/rws-34-wi...let-rifle.html

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Go through the effort. I don't know the laws in NYC, but if you get even a 'useless target shooting permit' you still have the weapon right? I assume you can keep it in your house, and have it at hand in the event of a home invasion.

Would it be easier in NYC to get a shotgun than a handgun? The state I live in doesn't have a background check for a shotgun...they still have to run the Federal obviously, but other than that it is cash and carry.

Make it look like you are a hunter. Go through the red tape, get a 12 ga., buy some cheap hunting gear and stick it in the closet. If you ever have to use it on a home invader: "Yes your honor, I only have it for hunting deer upstate. I had it out because I was cleaning it this evening, and when the guy broke into my house and threatened me and my family, well, I didn't know what else to do."

I don't own a handgun. I am a 12 ga. guy. I keep two shotguns under my bed, (I just like them, and I like having them near me) a large hunting knife in the nightstand, and a big old heavy mag light flash light sitting on the floor. I am a light sleeper, I wake up when the dog snores. He sleeps in the bedroom too, and barks his head off long before anyone gets up the walk.

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I was having the same problems, been looking at pellet guns, but I always loved archery, I have a recurve, son has a compound and I have cross bow.
I also have an asortment of Swords and mystical/mythical, fantasy knifes, you know the really large wierd looking ones!!!!

"COME IN"

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I own an old crossman 22 pellet gun Ive had since the 60s, have never as a rule left it unpressurized, still works well, the only thing is do is keep it well lubed with gun oil.

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But you'd still have the weapon when it's needed most. I'm sure you can go on an occasional trip out of the city and find a shooting range somewhere in NY state somewhere (or better yet go to VT!) to practice.

NYC is one place where I'd want a weapon and plenty of ammo at all times in case it "hits the fan" (consider how bad it'll be if it does "hit the fan" in NYC). Burglars are a concern I'm certain but that's not the only thing to consider...

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heres some other options instead of killing them

http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/urban_w...odpeckers.html

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Well, I would say stay away from BB guns. Like the Daisy Red Ryder. A great gun for a 12 year old. Useless.
Air rifles... RWS make an ass kicking rifle called the Model 54, also the model 52 and model 350 are good for killing small things. The 54 can be had in .22 caliber shooting at 900 fps. In .17 calibre it shoots at 1100 fps.
You can buy special pellets to do different things also.

A pump gun is better (I think) because you can very cheaply rebuild the pump with a factory kit. CO2 packs might not always be available.

Hope that helps.